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<H3>"So I said to them: be patient" </H3>


[Evidently the interview was taped after a visit to a crashed 
American helicopter. When the cameraman came to the end of the 
tape, he rewound it and started again. So the interview begins 39 
minutes into the tape, and is completed by jumping back to the 
beginning. The identify of the visitor is disputed, but evidently 
he was a Saudi cleric.]

<P>
Shaykh: (&#8230;inaudible&#8230;) You have given us weapons, you 
have given us hope and we thank Allah for you. We don't want to 
take much of your time, but this is the arrangement of the 
brothers. People now are supporting us more, even those ones who 
did not support us in the past, support us more now. I did not 
want to take that much of your time. We praise Allah, we praise 
Allah. We came from Kabul. We were very pleased to visit. May 
Allah bless you both at home and the camp. We asked the driver to 
take us, it was a night with a full moon, thanks be to Allah. 
Believe me it is not in the country side. The 
elderly &#8230; everybody praises what you did, the great action 
you did, which was first and foremost by the grace of Allah. This 
is the guidance of Allah and the blessed fruit of jihad. 
<P>
Osama bin Laden: Thanks to Allah. What is the stand of the Mosques there (in 
Saudi Arabia)? 
<P>
Shaykh: Honestly, they are very positive. Shaykh Al-Bahrani 
(phonetic) gave a good sermon in his class after the sunset 
prayers. It was videotaped and I was supposed to carry it with 
me, but unfortunately, I had to leave immediately. 
<P>
OBL: The day of the events? 
<P>
Shaykh: At the exact time of the attack on America, precisely at 
the time. He (Bahrani) gave a very impressive sermon. Thanks be 
to Allah for his blessings. He (Bahrani) was the first one to 
write at war time. I visited him twice in Al-Qasim. 
<P>
OBL: Thanks be to Allah. 
<P>
Shaykh: This is what I asked from Allah. He (Bahrani) told the 
youth: "You are asking for martyrdom and wonder where you should 
go (for martyrdom)?" Allah was inciting them to go. I asked Allah 
to grant me to witness the truth in front of the unjust ruler. We 
ask Allah to protect him and give him the martyrdom, after he 
issued the first fatwa. He was detained for interrogation, as you 
know. When he was called in and asked to sign, he told them, 
"don't waste my time, I have another fatwa. If you want me, I can 
sign both at the same time." 
<P>
OBL: Thanks be to Allah. 
<P>
Shaykh: His position is really very encouraging. When I paid him 
the first visit about a year and half ago, he asked me, "How is 
Shaykh Bin-Ladin?" He sends you his special regards. As far as 
Shaykh Sulayman 'Ulwan is concerned, he gave a beautiful fatwa, 
may Allah bless him. Miraculously, I heard it on the Koran radio 
station. It was strange because he ('Ulwan) sacrificed his 
position, which is equivalent to a director. It was transcribed 
word-by-word. The brothers listened to it in detail. I briefly 
heard it before the noon prayers. He ('Ulwan) said this was jihad 
and those people were not innocent people (World Trade Center and 
Pentagon victims). He swore to Allah. This was transmitted to 
Shaykh Sulayman Al (('Umar)) Allah bless him. 
<P>
OBL: What about Shaykh Al-((Rayan))? 
<P>
Shaykh: Honestly, I did not meet with him. My movements were 
truly limited. 
<P>
OBL: Allah bless you. You are welcome. 
<P>
Shaykh: (Describing the trip to the meeting) They smuggled us and 
then I thought that we would be in different caves inside the 
mountains so I was surprised at the guest house and that it is 
very clean and comfortable. Thanks be to Allah, we also learned 
that this location is safe, by Allah's blessings. The place is 
clean and we are very comfortable. 
<P>
OBL: (&#8230;Inaudible&#8230;) when people see a strong horse and 
a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse. This is 
only one goal; those who want people to worship the lord of the 
people, without following that doctrine, will be following the 
doctrine of Muhammad, peace be upon him.(OBL quotes several short 
and incomplete Hadith verses, as follows): "I was ordered to 
fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and 
his prophet Muhammad." "Some people may ask: why do you want to 
fight us?" "There is an association between those who say: I 
believe in one god and Muhammad is his prophet, and those who 
don't" (&#8230;inaudible&#8230;) "Those who do not follow the true 
fiqh. The fiqh of Muhammad, the real fiqh. They are just 
accepting what is being said at face value." 
<P>
OBL: Those youth who conducted the operations did not accept any 
fiqh in the popular terms, but they accepted the fiqh that the 
prophet Muhammad brought. Those young men 
(&#8230;inaudible&#8230;) said in deeds, in New York and 
Washington, speeches that overshadowed all other speeches made 
everywhere else in the world. The speeches are understood by both 
Arabs and non-Arabs--even by Chinese. It is above all the media 
said. Some of them said that in Holland, at one of the centers, 
the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that 
followed the operations were more than the people who accepted 
Islam in the last eleven years. I heard someone on Islamic radio 
who owns a school in America say: "We don't have time to keep up 
with the demands of those who are asking about Islamic books to 
learn about Islam." This event made people think (about 
true Islam) which benefited Islam greatly. 
<P>
Shaykh: Hundreds of people used to doubt you and few only would 
follow you until this huge event happened. Now hundreds of people 
are coming out to join you. I remember a vision by Shaykh Salih 
Al-((Shuaybi)). He said: "There will be a great hit and people 
will go out by hundreds to Afghanistan." I asked him (Salih): "To 
Afghanistan?" He replied, "Yes." According to him, the only ones 
who stay behind will be the mentally impotent and the liars 
(hypocrites). I remembered his saying that hundreds of people 
will go out to Afghanistan. He had this vision a year ago. This 
event discriminated between the different types of followers. 
<P>
OBL: (&#8230;Inaudible&#8230;) we calculated in advance the 
number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on 
the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that 
would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most 
optimistic of them all. (&#8230;Inaudible&#8230;) due to my 
experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the 
gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building 
and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors 
above it only. This is all that we had hoped for. 
<P>
Shaykh: Allah be praised. 
<P>
OBL: We were at (&#8230;inaudible&#8230;) when the event took 
place. We had notification since the previous Thursday that the 
event would take place that day. We had finished our work that 
day and had the radio on. It was 5:30 p.m. our time. I was 
sitting with Dr. Ahmad Abu-al-((Khair)). Immediately, we heard 
the news that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. We turned 
the radio station to the news from Washington. The news continued 
and no mention of the attack until the end. At the end of the 
newscast, they reported that a plane just hit the World Trade 
Center. 
<P>
Shaykh: Allah be praised. 
<P>
OBL: After a little while, they announced that another plane had 
hit the World Trade Center. The brothers who heard the news were 
overjoyed by it. 
<P>
Shaykh: I listened to the news and I was sitting. We 
didn't&#8230;we were not thinking about anything, and all of a 
sudden, Allah willing, we were talking about how come we didn't 
have anything, and all of a sudden the news came and everyone was 
overjoyed and everyone until the next day, in the morning, was 
talking about what was happening and we stayed until four 
o'clock, listening to the news every time a little bit different, 
everyone was very joyous and saying "Allah is great," "Allah is 
great," "We are thankful to Allah," "Praise Allah." And I was 
happy for the happiness of my brothers. That day the 
congratulations were coming on the phone non-stop. The mother was 
receiving phone calls continuously. Thank Allah. Allah is great, 
praise be to Allah.

<P>
Shaykh (Quoting the verse from the Koran) : "Fight them, Allah will torture them, with your hands, he 
will torture them. He will deceive them and he will give you 
victory. Allah will forgive the believers, he is knowledgeable 
about everything." 
<P>Shaykh: No doubt it is a clear victory. Allah has bestowed on 
us&#8230;honor on us&#8230;and he will give us blessing and more 
victory during this holy month of Ramadan. And this is what 
everyone is hoping for. Thank Allah America came out of its 
caves. We hit her the first hit and the next one will hit her 
with the hands of the believers, the good believers, the strong 
believers. By Allah it is a great work. Allah prepares for you a 
great reward for this work. I'm sorry to speak in your presence, 
but it is just thoughts, just thoughts. By Allah, who there is no 
god but him. I live in happiness, happiness&#8230;I have not 
experienced, or felt, in a long time. I remember, the words of 
Al-Rabbani, he said they made a coalition against us in the 
winter with the infidels like the Turks, and others, and some 
other Arabs. And they surrounded us like the days &#8230; in the 
days of the prophet Muhammad. Exactly like what's happening right 
now. But he comforted his followers and said, "This is going to 
turn and hit them back." And it is a mercy for us. And a blessing 
to us. And it will bring people back. Look how wise he was. And 
Allah will give him blessing. And the day will come when the 
symbols of Islam will rise up and it will be similar to the early 
days of Al-Mujahedeen and Al-Ansar (similar to the early years of 
Islam). And victory to those who follow Allah. Finally said, if 
it is the same, like the old days, such as Abu Bakr and Othman 
and Ali and others. In these days, in our times, that it will be 
the greatest jihad in the history of Islam and the resistance of 
the wicked people. 
<P>
Shaykh: By Allah my Shaykh. We congratulate you for the great 
work. Thank Allah. 
<P>OBL: Abdallah Azzam, Allah bless his soul, told me not to 
record anything (&#8230;inaudible&#8230;) so I thought that was a 
good omen, and Allah will bless us (&#8230;inaudible&#8230;). 
Abu-Al-Hasan Al-((Masri)), who appeared on Al-Jazeera TV a couple 
of days ago and addressed the Americans saying: "If you are true 
men, come down here and face us." (&#8230;inaudible&#8230;) He 
told me a year ago: "I saw in a dream, we were playing a soccer 
game against the Americans. When our team showed up in the field, 
they were all pilots!" He said: "So I wondered if that was a 
soccer game or a pilot game? Our players were pilots." He 
(Abu-Al-Hasan) didn't know anything about the operation until he 
heard it on the radio. He said the game went on and we defeated 
them. That was a good omen for us. 
<P>
Shaykh: May Allah be blessed. 
<P>
Unidentified Man Off Camera: Abd Al Rahman Al-(Ghamri) said he 
saw a vision, before the operation, a plane crashed into a tall 
building. He knew nothing about it. 
<P>
Shaykh: May Allah be blessed! 
<P>
Sulayman ((Abu Guaith)): I was sitting with the Shaykh [OBL] in a room, 
then I left to go to another room where there was a TV set. The 
TV broadcasted the big event. The scene was showing an Egyptian 
family sitting in their living room, they exploded with joy. Do 
you know when there is a soccer game and your team wins, it was 
the same expression of joy. There was a subtitle that read: "In 
revenge for the children of Al Aqsa', Osama Bin Ladin executes an 
operation against America." So I went back to the Shaykh [OBL]
 who was sitting in a room with 50 to 60 people. I tried to 
tell him about what I saw, but he made gesture with his hands, 
meaning: "I know, I know&#8230;" 
<P>
OBL: He did not know about the operation. Not everybody knew 
(&#8230;inaudible&#8230;). Muhammad ((Atta)) from the Egyptian 
family (meaning the Al Qa'ida Egyptian group), was in charge of 
the group. 
<P>
Shaykh: A plane crashing into a tall building was out of anyone's 
imagination. This was a great job. He was one of the pious men in 
the organization. He became a martyr. Allah bless his soul. 
Shaykh (Referring to dreams and visions): The plane that he saw 
crashing into the building was seen before by more than one 
person. One of the good religious people has left everything and 
come here. He told me, "I saw a vision, I was in a huge plane, 
long and wide. I was carrying it on my shoulders and I walked 
from the road to the desert for half a kilometer. I was dragging 
the plane." I listened to him and I prayed to Allah to help him. 
Another person told me that last year he saw, but I didn't 
understand and I told him I don't understand. He said, "I saw 
people who left for jihad &#8230; and they found themselves in New 
York &#8230; in Washington and New York." I said, "What is this?" 
He told me the plane hit the building. That was last year. We 
haven't thought much about it. But, when the incidents happened 
he came to me and said, "Did you see &#8230; this is strange." I 
have another man &#8230; my god &#8230; he said and swore by Allah 
that his wife had seen the incident a week earlier. She saw the 
plane crashing into a building &#8230; that was unbelievable, my 
god. 
<P>
OBL: The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was 
that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to 
go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, 
not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal 
the operation to them until they are there and just before they 
boarded the planes. 
<P>
OBL: (&#8230;inaudible&#8230;) then he said: Those who were 
trained to fly didn't know the others. One group of people did 
not know the other group. (&#8230;inaudible&#8230;) (Someone in 
the crowd asks OBL to tell the Shaykh about the dream of 
((Abu-Da'ud)). 
<P>
OBL: We were at a camp of one of the brother's guards in 
Kandahar. This brother belonged to the majority of the group. He 
came close and told me that he saw, in a dream, a tall building 
in America, and in the same dream he saw Mukhtar teaching them 
how to play karate. At that point, I was worried that maybe the 
secret would be revealed if everyone starts seeing it in their 
dream. So I closed the subject. I told him if he sees another 
dream, not to tell anybody, because people will be upset with 
him. (Another person's voice can be heard recounting his dream 
about two planes hitting a big building). 
<P>
OBL: They were overjoyed when the first plane hit the building, 
so I said to them: be patient. 
<P>
OBL: The difference between the first and the second plane 
hitting the towers was twenty minutes. And the difference between 
the first plane and the plane that hit the Pentagon was one hour. 
<P>
Shaykh: They (the Americans) were terrified thinking there was a 
coup. [Note: Ayman Al-Zawahri says first he commended OBL's 
awareness of what the media is saying. Then he says it was the 
first time for them (Americans) to feel danger coming at them.] 
<P>
OBL (reciting a poem): 
<P>I witness that against the sharp blade 
<br>They always faced difficulties and stood together &#8230; 
<br>When the darkness comes upon us and we are bit by a 
<br>Sharp tooth, I say &#8230; "Our homes are flooded with blood 
and the tyrant 
<br>Is freely wandering in our homes" &#8230; 
<br>And from the battlefield vanished 
<br>The brightness of swords and the horses &#8230; 
<br>And over weeping sounds now 
<br>We hear the beats of drums and rhythm &#8230; 
<br>They are storming his forts 
<br>And shouting: "We will not stop our raids 
<br>Until you free our lands" &#8230; 


<P>[Transcript and annotations independently prepared by George 
Michael of Diplomatic Language Services and Dr. Kassem 
Wahba of Johns Hopkins University. They 
collaborated on their translation and compared it with 
translations done by the U.S. government for consistency. There 
were no inconsistencies in the translations.]

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